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problem with uploading multiple movement score

Posted: 15 Nov 2008 19:05
by tlloyd
Friends,

I have a piano/vocal score for the Berlioz Requiem in Sibelius that could be of use to conductors who wish to create their own re-arrangement of the vocal parts from their original SSTTBB voicing to an SATB version suiting their particular choir. However, even though I successfully uploaded these pages about a year ago, I have not been successful in having their links appear on the composer's cpdl page. Periodically I have retried and sought help on this forum but to no avail. I would welcome any assistance anyone might be able to offer. Thank you! Thomas Lloyd, Haverford College

please forward responses to tlloyd@haverford.edu

http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/f/f2/1._Kyrie.pdf
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/9/9c/1. ... -_midi.mid
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/2/2b/1. ... _sib_4.sib

http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/3/36/2._Dies_Irae.pdf
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/3/36/2. ... -_midi.mid
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/e/eb/2. ... _sib_4.sib

http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/e/e8/3. ... _miser.pdf
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/0/00/3. ... -_midi.mid
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/8/8e/3. ... _sib_4.sib

http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/f/f0/4. ... mendae.pdf
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/6/6e/4. ... -_midi.mid
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/e/e3/4. ... _sib_4.sib

http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/b/b2/5._Quaerens_me.pdf
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/5/5a/5. ... -_midi.mid
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/0/06/5. ... _sib_4.sib

http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/f/fb/6._Lacrimosa.pdf
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/e/e6/6. ... -_midi.mid
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/b/bd/6. ... _sib_4.sib

http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/8/82/8._Hostias.pdf
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/d/d0/8. ... -_midi.mid
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/f/fb/8. ... _sib_4.sib

http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/7/72/9a._Sanctus.pdf
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/7/70/9a ... -_midi.mid
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/f/f7/9a ... _sib_4.sib

http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/b/b7/9b._Hosanna.pdf
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/4/49/9b ... -_midi.mid
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/a/ab/9b ... _sib_4.sib

http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/f/f0/10._Agnus_Dei.pdf
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/5/58/10 ... -_midi.mid
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/b/b3/10 ... _sib_4.sib

Re: problem with uploading multiple movement score

Posted: 15 Nov 2008 21:28
by carlos
Hi Thomas,

As a matter of fact, your previous request for help on the Bulletin Board (here) was replied on the very same day by Robert, who added entries for your edition on the following page: Grande messe des morts, H 75 (Hector Berlioz). Perhaps you were looking for them under a different title as "Requiem", but when there is already another edition of a work, we usually add the new edition to the same page, keeping the original page title.

Regards,
Carlos
(a copy of this was sent to his email)

Re: problem with uploading multiple movement score

Posted: 15 Nov 2008 21:44
by tlloyd
Thank you, and I apologize for not noticing this earlier. However, it is a little confusing I think that on the composer page for Berlioz, under Grande Messe du Mort, only the full score edition details are shown, suggesting that this is the only edition (which is why I didn't think mine was also there, until you suggested clicking on the title.) Wouldn't it make more sense to either display just the title, prompting the user to click on the title to see details for all editions, or to have the same detailed links for both editions on the composer page, or at least one link for each edition? Thanks again for your help. - TL

Re: problem with uploading multiple movement score

Posted: 15 Nov 2008 23:00
by carlos
Yes Thomas, I totally agree with you on this point. Duplication of information (that in IT we call "redundancy") is one of the primary causes of inconsistencies in any system. That's the case here at CPDL, because each time a new edition is added to a work page, the composer page has to be simultaneously updated, and for a variety of reasons even someone experienced as Robert may forget to do so. When I began contributing regularly to CPDL earlier this year, this was one of the main "project flaws" that I noticed, being the cause of double work and an uncountable number of inconsistencies as this one that fooled you. It was suggested to the other admins that we simpified the process of adding editions by leaving just the link to the work on the composer page (with the fringe benefit of ending up with a "cleaner" page), but you probably know how difficult it is to modify old traditions... lol

Re: problem with uploading multiple movement score

Posted: 16 Nov 2008 02:55
by tlloyd
So is there a way I can create a link for the vocal scores on the composer page? Sorry to not be up to speed on working cpdl! - TL

Re: problem with uploading multiple movement score

Posted: 16 Nov 2008 05:24
by carlos
I added your edition to the composer page, please see if that's what you had in mind.

Regards

Re: problem with uploading multiple movement score

Posted: 16 Nov 2008 10:38
by choralia
Carlos wrote:
this was one of the main "project flaws" that I noticed, being the cause of double work and an uncountable number of inconsistencies
Carlos, let's remember about this when reviewing the performance indicators of the "Maintenance and Improvement" process.

Max

Re: problem with uploading multiple movement score

Posted: 16 Nov 2008 12:31
by tlloyd
Carlos,
This change does get the piano/vocal score visibly on the composer page, but it seems to confuse the issue by overlaying them on top of each other, now with direct links to the piano/vocal score, but not to the full score, and with the indication by the title that both editions are full (orchestral) scores. My inclination would be to either list both editions separately without movements with a single link to the existing detail page, or list all the movements available for each edition on the composer page, with all the movements for one followed by all the movements for the other. - Tom

Re: problem with uploading multiple movement score

Posted: 17 Nov 2008 01:18
by carlos
choralia wrote:Carlos, let's remember about this when reviewing the performance indicators of the "Maintenance and Improvement" process.
Max
Max, you've probably heard of or worked with data normalization, right? Then you know what I'm talking about :D

Re: problem with uploading multiple movement score

Posted: 17 Nov 2008 01:24
by carlos
tlloyd wrote:Carlos,
This change seems to confuse the issue by overlaying them on top of each other
Tom
Sorry, Tom, but as I've said, there is a standard to be followed, I just applied it. Perhaps in the future this may change!