Composer: Anonymous (Medieval Organum, c. 1000-1100)

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BarryJ
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Composer: Anonymous (Medieval Organum, c. 1000-1100)

Post by BarryJ »

I came across this "composer" recently, because currently it sorts under "1" in the list of composers. So far, only one work page (here), added earlier this year; on this page, Composer is listed as Anonymous. I reached out to the editor involved, but he hasn't responded yet.
The word "Organum" occurs in six other pages.
I think this would be better as a category (and subgenre). Wikipedia calls it "a form of heterophony", so it seems this is important historically. Perhaps these are recent concepts? However, I am far from having expertise in this area.
The form of this composer's name doesn't quite fit the usual conventions. Also I suspect that there is a lot of this on CPDL in the various anonymous and chant categories already.
Help, please.
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Re: Composer: Anonymous (Medieval Organum, c. 1000-1100)

Post by Richard Mix »

Compositions by Anonymous (why is that capitalized as if it were a name???) needs certainly rethinking, lest we get to a point where someone planning to upload [[Magnificat LXII (Anonymous)]] isn't willing to check whether it's perhaps already hosted under another page name (and how many of us would be willing to check that for him/her?).

A laudible makeshift practice has arisen of adding (source) in front of (Anonymous) as at [[Puer natus est nobis (D-ERu 473-1) (Anonymous)]]. There's also [[Gloria, Old Hall 1 (Anonymous)]] and [[Messe de Tournai (Anonymous)]] which similarly get the point across. Perhaps there's an automated way of having [[Pascha nostrum (Kodex des Magister Nicolaus Leopold) (Anonymous)]] appear on a 'composer' page titled [[anonymous (Kodex des Magister Nicolaus Leopold)]]. Otherwise I'd suggest we start replacing (source) (Anonymous) with (anonymous, Source): hence [[anonymous (School of Notre Dame)]], assuming the unpopulated [[Anonymous (Medieval Organum, c. 1000-1100)]] to be needed for repertoire common to the sources F, W1, W2… <strike>Did something once link to that page, btw?</strike)
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Re: Composer: Anonymous (Medieval Organum, c. 1000-1100)

Post by janeesmith »

The composer is listed as Anonymous because many works from the Medieval period were not credited to individuals. Medieval Organum from c. 1000–represents early polyphonic sacred music in Western Europe.
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Re: Composer: Anonymous (Medieval Organum, c. 1000-1100)

Post by BarryJ »

At CPDL, Anonymous is a composer (it has a composer page), and so it should be capitalized. And I agree with Richard's "laudable practice" – though it's not really makeshift; a number of editors use this practice now. But I am not sure how his following suggestion would work. (Side note: in MediaWiki, things like categories and headings have the first word capitalized.)
Is the Category:Organum correctly described? Feel free to edit it if need be.
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Re: Composer: Anonymous (Medieval Organum, c. 1000-1100)

Post by Richard Mix »

This is a little beside the point, but while Anonymous IV is an actual writer, anonymous works are not by some author known as Nameless (fl. c. 1400 BCE - ) and "anonymous" usually follows sentence capitalization.

If (Anonymous) is to be handled as a composer page, it would be less unmanageable if works were gathered according to their source, either from the Publication field, or by what I call the makeshift of the second-from-the-right-parenthetical-arguement.
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Re: Composer: Anonymous (Medieval Organum, c. 1000-1100)

Post by MRoth1910 »

At CPDL, Anonymous is a composer (it has a composer page), and so it should be capitalized.
What Richard seems to have been trying to say is that it should not be a unique composer page. It's not a name. Obviously, anonymous composers from sources of different time periods and places are (probably) not the same composer and that someone may have already found the named composer, and uploaded the music under that name, or it's under Anonymous already, or it's under Anoymous <source name>. Or at least it needs to have sources, but I'd rather break things out by source.

This is especially persnickety in the case of plainchant. It should not have any composer listed, even if we know who wrote the text, except in the case of modern attempts such as those clearly attributed to Dom Pothier, osb for example (and even then: I am pretty sure that he wrote some of the well-known chants, but I can't say for sure, because he doesn't get an attribution in the source).
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